The battle against terrorism will require concerted international action of all likeminded
countries as it is a battle that we cannot afford to lose, says MARK SOFER, Israel's
outgoing ambassador in New Delhi, as he prepares to leave India soon after spending
four years here. In an interview to RAMESH RAMACHANDRAN, he talks of how the
"dynamic" relationship between the two countries "is now going places". Excerpts:
Q: How would you describe the Israel-India relations today, and what are some of the
high and low points of your tenure?
A: It is a relationship in motion, which started before I came of course, but clearly, it has
an enormous dynamic of its own. If you look at the basic facts and figures, the bilateral
civilian trade has reached $5 billion. We are working on a Free Trade Agreement (FTA).
Next year will be the 20th anniversary of the establishment of India-Israel relations, and,
hopefully around that time we will be able to conclude the (FTA) negotiations. Some
experts estimate that bilateral civilian trade will triple in the next three or four years, so
we are talking $15 billion worth of civilian trade. And the trade is finely balanced in terms
of imports and exports, and it will include such things as investment, services, and
goods. In agriculture, a centre of excellence is already up and running in Karnal,
Haryana; a second centre will open in Sirsa, also in Haryana; and a third probably will
be in Nagpur in Maharashtra. We are also looking at Tamil Nadu. I mean - the sky is
the limit. And, now we are embarking on a new negotiation process for an MoU
(memorandum of understanding) in dairy farming, etc.
So, basically, in every field of human endeavour, this relationship is in a dynamic mode.
It didn’t start with me and it won’t end with me; I am just in the middle of it. So this is a
relationship that is going places. One of the real high points in my four years here has
been the opening of the agricultural centre in Haryana. A vast population of India is
dependent on farming. At the end of the day, embassies and countries interact to better
the lives of their peoples, and if we can cooperate on the main issue which faces the
Indian economy and social world, which is agriculture of course, this gives me the
greatest pleasure. There is nothing more inspiring or heart-warming than seeing farmers
from far and wide coming to look at Israeli technologies and incorporating them into their
own smallholdings. We all like to deal with geostrategic issues, but, sometimes, it is
these things, the nitty-gritty, that make a term of duty the beauty that it is.
If you ask me, it has been the most wonderful four years of my life working with the
Indian government and people on not just issues related to West Asia but related to the
welfare of people, such as water, alternative energy, agriculture, technology and
industry. I think that there is no doubt in my mind that the low point of my stay here was
the Mumbai attacks; of that there is no doubt. Our prayers are with the families of those
Indians that were killed, but the Jewish people also were specifically targeted in that
atrocity.
Q: How will the killing of Osama bin Laden affect the war on terrorism in general, and the
situation in West Asia in particular?
A: The world is a better place now that Osama bin Laden is no longer with us. But does it
mean the end of terrorism? Of course it does not. Other such fanatics will come out of the
woodwork, they are already coming out of the woodwork, already planning new attacks.
The way to tackle it is concerted unified international action of all like-minded countries.
This is a battle that we cannot afford to lose.
Q: US President Barack Obama's speeches on the West Asia peace process have not
gone down well with the Israeli government. How do you see the Israel-Palestine peace
process going forward?
A: This relationship is rock-solid. There is no rift. There are differences of opinion, which
are natural; there are differences of opinion between friends and even inside a family.
That is a normal process; so one should be careful not to over-dramatise it. If someone
is trying to find fissures (between the United States and Israel), it will be very hard to find
them, but that is not to suggest that we agree on everything. But, yes, we are at a
crossroads. We do believe strongly in Israel that we urgently need to get back to the
negotiating table. There is no point in putting preconditions down because if we all start
doing that, then we are predetermining the outcome of the negotiations before they
actually have taken off in any seriousness. So we really have a great deal of difficulty in
understanding in all honesty why all of a sudden the Palestinian Authority has placed
this condition or that condition. Second, this agreement between the Palestinian Authority
and Hamas is something that places us backwards. Hamas, in a way, is West Asia’s Al
Qaeda. It is an extremist organisation dedicated to the eradication of the State of Israel
and is anti-Semitic by its own charter and it has not moved one iota from the demands of
the international community that it accept Israel’s existence, that it accept previous
agreements reached between Israelis and Palestinians, and stop massacring people. I
must stress that these are not conditions placed by Israel; these are placed by the
Quartet, by the international community, on Hamas, and they have not met them. We do
see in Mahmoud Abbas a serious and pragmatic partner, we do see in the PLO
(Palestinian Liberation Organisation) an institution with which we can achieve peace, but
we do not at this stage at all (visualise) the Hamas entering into that arena.
Q: How does Israel view the Palestinians' move to seek a vote in the United Nations
recognising Palestine as a sovereign country?
A: We, of course, disagree with it entirely. We don’t have dozens of countries that will
support us. A former foreign minister of Israel, Abba Eban, has said that if Israel were to
propose in the UN that the world was round, the UN will vote that it was flat. Anything
[that is done] in the UN is a priori geared against Israel. We believe the way for the
establishment of a Palestinian state should be through negotiations between Israelis
and Palestinians, that is the way to move forward. Actually we are not that far apart: we
both agree on a two-state solution. But, of course, the devil is in the details. A lot of
discussion is necessary, and it is not going to be easy, but scoring points is not going to
move forward any type of peace process in West Asia.
Q: How do you see the emergence of representative governments following the popular
uprisings in Israel's neighbourhood?
A: I think a moving away from authoritarian leadership towards democracy is almost
automatically positive. It cannot be negative when people are able to find an expression
of their views and freedoms that were denied to them. This has to be positive and I think
there will be positive spinoffs as well.
Q: The US and the European Union have imposed further sanctions on Iran. How would
you describe the current thinking in Israel on Iran?
A: There is a difference between the people of Iran and the regime, and one must make
this distinction. It is so tragic that they have at the helm a leadership of hate, a regime
dedicated to the destruction of Israel, denying the Holocaust, striving for nuclear arms in
order to carry out the destruction of the world’s only Jewish country. Why should we sit
idly by when this is happening? And we won’t. The Jewish people have suffered
throughout history at attempts to annihilate. Our supposed annihilators have always
been annihilated. We will never lose in this struggle against those who would do us ill.
When we say never again after the Holocaust, we mean never again. And when (Iran
talks about) killing and murdering Israelis, it is something that we cannot of course take,
and watch idly as it does this.
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